tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30096810.post115786005590351795..comments2024-01-18T22:58:49.172-06:00Comments on Dust of the Time: Religious vs. Civil MarriageDust I Amhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17214613587456861583noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30096810.post-1157997747173434982006-09-11T13:02:00.000-05:002006-09-11T13:02:00.000-05:00They ought to do like my grandparents comtemplated...They ought to do like my grandparents comtemplated. They had been married 60 years prior, and they were going to go to a lawyer, get divorced (no fault) and live together.<BR/><BR/>Since the church doesn't recognize divorce, they would be still married and living under the sacramental convenant. Since they were divorced, they could each get the benefits.<BR/><BR/>So this coupld could get a marriage license, get married by a Catholic priest, then go to a lawyer the next day and get divorced. Then they would be living under the sacramental covenant, not living in sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30096810.post-1157904870982719092006-09-10T11:14:00.000-05:002006-09-10T11:14:00.000-05:00My uncle is doing the same thing. He and his lady ...My uncle is doing the same thing. He and his lady friend fear that she'll lose her widow's pension so they see each other every day and evening and maintain separate homes. The rest of the family ignores the situation. <BR/><BR/>There will be more of this as the Baby Boomers age.Dymphnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01469622835449220113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30096810.post-1157870302468943422006-09-10T01:38:00.000-05:002006-09-10T01:38:00.000-05:00Dusty,Hope this answers your question. However, gi...Dusty,<BR/><BR/>Hope this answers your question. However, given the provisions of Canon 1131, 2ƒ, the parties would be not be able to tell the family unless they witnessed the marriage and this would open up the way for a slip of the tongue possibly leading to prosecution of the Priest for performing a marriage without a license (a crime in Kansas, and I'm sure in most other states) and possible prosecution under federal statutes of the couple for "fraudulently" obtaining benefits.<BR/><BR/>Book IV, Part I, Title VII, Chapter VII of the Code of Canon Law (1983)<BR/><BR/>CHAPTER VII : THE SECRET CELEBRATION OF MARRIAGE<BR/><BR/>Can. 1130 For a grave and urgent reason, the local Ordinary may permit that a marriage be celebrated in secret. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Can. 1131 Permission to celebrate a marriage in secret involves: <BR/><BR/><BR/>1ƒ that the investigations to be made before the marriage are carried out in secret; <BR/><BR/><BR/>2ƒ that the secret in regard to the marriage which has been celebrated is observed by the local Ordinary, by whoever assists, by the witnesses and by the spouses. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Can. 1132 The obligation of observing the secret mentioned in can. 1131 n. 2 ceases for the local Ordinary if from its observance a threat arises of grave scandal or of grave harm to the sanctity of marriage. This fact is to be made known to the parties before the celebration of the marriage. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Can. 1133 A marriage celebrated in secret is to be recorded only in a special register which is to be kept in the secret archive of the curia.Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03944144604130780799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30096810.post-1157865975738982112006-09-10T00:26:00.000-05:002006-09-10T00:26:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03944144604130780799noreply@blogger.com